Your heirarchy’s more heirarchical than mine!
Sunday 5August07 1pm
Recently the MSA’s interaction with the Wholefoods Collective has been one of antagonism and somewhat amusing bickering. Most of the argument that has any real substance centres on the application of differential pricing in the cafe and canteen-thing. That is, the MSA has brought out their community card (that has ‘benefits‘ for those willing to pay the hundred and something dollars and is discussed by kernel here) and was trying to get/force Wholefoods to charge $2.40 for my coffee and $2 for those weirdos with community cards. Mr. Haywood and the Wholefoods Collective emphatically said ‘no’ a few times, had their new coffee cart taken by the MSA (behold the might, the power… oooooh boogy boogy) (see this right-wing, but amusing and pertinant rant about hippies, Wholefoods and the coffee-cart) and eventually (I discovered this semester early one morning) started charging me $2.40 for ’strong’ ‘lattes’. Apparently one collective member has gone on strike but in such a way that means either the other wholefoods employees do his work for free, or (as has been happening) he comes into work anyway without being paid. (Recently, more recently that the writing of the above text, another collective member is striking – they have a long letter too, it says they’re a woman)Aaaanyway, for a long time Mr. Haywood has referred to many members of the Go!, alp-alligned faction, as ‘Go!-bots’ – a reference to the existence of ‘headkickers’ and a ‘heirarchy’ of ideas and influence within Go!. In turn, Go! members have referred to Mr. Haywood as Chairman Glen – alluding to his despotic, i suppose, control over the Wholefoods Collective. Surely no one is saying there has to exist absolute equality of contribution of faction members, and for equality of having-ideas-considered or something. This argument has gone nowhere for a long time! Why not try and critique eachother’s actual actions? However, thrown into the debate for the first time since the engagement or whatever, Zoe had a go at Mr Harwood’s “1950s-esque” relationship with “missus” Kellan. Mr Useless has complained of not being ‘bullied like this since highschool” and needing a good cry. What a nice sensitive man. Why can’t he be left alone to run his ‘ethical business’ with his friends and family?
“The Chairman Under Fire For His 1950’s Lifestyle”.
“I have read the sexist dribble from Chairman Glen for months now and chosen to ignore it because its only purpose was to create sensationalist opposition to the current decisions of the MSC. However Iam sick of the assertions that men are pulling the strings in Go! and that somehow I’m just a stupid little girl go-bot who does whatever David Taft tells me. For starters Glen, you want to see a hierarchy and the patriarchy in action watch the mahinations of the Wholefoods Collective. You speak and everyone jumps; that’s a hierarchy! Yes there’s a hierarchy in the MSA, there’s a President, and a clear change [sic] of command, but one that is accountable to democratic structures, student council and a student general meeting. I believe in open, visible hierarchies, because they also bring responsibility and accountability.
I take responsibility for every decision I make, and I’m not going to hide behind other people. Its possibly time you fess up and join the liberal party, because moving in with wifey, and spouting Pro VSU propaganda is all looking a little too 1950’s Australia.
Your comments are sexist, no one is pulling my strings. I like all members of Go! come to MSCas a free individual who chooses to exercise a right to vote collectively at MSC on the political platform we were elected to pursue. Go! is not a boy’s club, which is more than I can say for the last Activate administration who had an all male executive (2005- Nick, Jonno and Ollie). So don’t call me a Go-bot and don’t say others are making my decisions. Women may defer to men in the politics that your’e involved in (and by that I mean the Greens and the Young Libs), but in my caucus the matriarch is strong.
Zoe Edwards
President of the MSA”
Well, I think ‘Chairman Glen’ is an inappropriate term for Mr Haywood. Wholefoods Collective is more like a gang; with a family head and disposable hired-hands. As everyone knows, work makes us free. And all my friends are lazy.
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Last year the Wholefoods Collective was responsible for the exclusion of a Monash student, the constant targetting of this student by security and the daily presence of security at Wholefoods. This was ostensibly concerning his attempt to break into the Wholefoods office when he was locked out. You’d have to say that this ‘break-in attempt’ was part of a protest, given this students prior treatment, and I think it’s fair to say (now) that Wholefoods is against this kind of protest. Well, at least not against the use of security in settling disputes.
This followed a long debate, for which I was wholly absent, that started with an article that the student had written with the help of Mr Haywood. It concerned religious fundamentalism in the form of Zionism and the state of Israel as an imperial force to be protested. Between this and being expelled from tertiary study by the collective, the student was accused of Sexism (a claim without explaination, and a mystery to me), Racism (in referring to a collective member he had forgotten the name of – who is possibly techniquely darker-skinned than the student in question – as “dark-skinned”) and anti-Semitism (over the article? or over some comments in collective meetings. Not sure, but I would never refer to him as anti-Semitic). These are all extreme charges, and appear to fit more with the polemic nature of arguments used by Wholefoods Collective than with the student’s actual beliefs or actions.
It does not surprise me that I have heard of Mr Haywood’s involvement with the article only a few times, and never from ‘that’ side of the debate.
Sunday 12August07 11pm at 2309
While I appreciate your attempts to become the sLanderyou of the … um … [insert current political identity here - shall we call it the "interesting" side of politics?] as much as I appreciate student union squabbles in general, I have to say this is lacking something. Maybe it’s the fact that the bulk of this entry concerns people you see three or four times a week, and yet you hedge and dodge in every second sentence as if these actions and their motivations are so mysterious, as if this is really complex journalism. If you’re at all interested in these events, talk to Glen. Zoe. Michael. Loretta. Jo. Fuck, talk to me. But don’t pull this bullshit blogger brat act as if this is some interesting political phenomenon requiring detached analysis, because you know it’s just a schoolyard spat between some kids you used to hang out with, and you could just ask, but you don’t, which makes me wonder what the point of this poseuring is. If you just want to bitch about the MSA, Activate, whatever, just do it — I’ll be happy to join you, that place fucking broke me. But drop the facade of independent observer — didn’t feminism teach you that was a lie anyway?
Monday 13August07 11pm at 2345
Well, true, I’m a bit weak…
I could, and at times planned to, talk to any number of the student politicians involved more than I have.
I see these people often. When I sit at the place at campus where I can find my friends and smoke and when I go to the student union to find some resource I can use, funnily, they’re there. And every time I try to express some political opinion on fucking anything, I have only the student politicians to worry about. And despite the fact that I’m weak and I actually do fear the backlash, I try to, well, at least put some thoughts down in here. (And despite being mostly lazy, and think that the MSA and Wholefoods generally aren’t worth my time/energy, I try to at least put some thoughts down in here.)
I’m sorry if you were offended, it was an emotional text (far from intentially claiming to be an independent observer).
Did you at least like the contrast between the types of squabbles monash student pollies like to get involved in, and the times they’re happy to let students get kicked out of uni?
I assume by “you could just ask” you mean I’ll be enlightened, that issues will go away, when I do. Because being “too busy” or “not ready” to have a Collective meeting for a Conflict Resolution that meant that the uni/security HAD to kick out the student, suggests that bringing things up might only create an argument/antagonism. ‘The left’ doesn’t want that! And I’m not ready for that 30+ to 1 battle.
Or should I be enlightened about why people are striking, why people are complaining about the coffee cart, why people are calling eachother names? Coz that’s the bit I don’t care about, except for the amusement factor.
You chose this article/now to suggest I wasn’t left?
Friday 17August07 12am at 024
In no particular order (by the way it still says email address is required) …
I didn’t mean to suggest that you weren’t left as some sort of insult, I actually didn’t know whether you would call yourself that. Or what the word means to you — I think I’ve only seen you use it in sarcasm and inverted commas.
Maybe you didn’t intend to claim any independent status but it reads like you’re trying to obscure your relationship to these incidents and these people.
I wasn’t offended by the content of your criticism — I think it’s valid, and, in relation to ******* [the student expelled] at least, really important. But I was confused that you chose to raise it in this medium, in this manner. Because while there are many complaints that can be made about Wholefoods, from various perspectives, what it’s not is a faceless bureaucracy.
Maybe what I meant when I said “you could just ask” was that you could just *act*: I don’t understand why you comment to an ephemeral audience about decisions made by people you could directly address. Individually. Informally. You know our names.
And no, talking to people would not necessarily be interesting, informative, productive. But probably more so than hypothesising from a distance.
Like, the Collective being hierarchical? Yeah, I know, we’re dealing with it and we’ll always be dealing with it. Attempting to identity and break hierarchies is an ongoing process; I think most people recognise that.
And yeah, of course it’s personal, of course when I say “us” or “people”, I mostly mean “me”. Because I know you know I’m involved in these decisions, but you don’t say this stuff to my face. So when you say you fear the backlash, when you talk about student pollies, do you mean me? What am I supposed to think?
Because yeah, I was at that meeting where we decided to put a differential pricing on coffee. I think I even mentioned it to you maybe, during semester break? And it’s fine if you don’t care, but seeing as you raised the issue: We’ve been resisting differential pricing since before the summer break. Dozens of meetings, discussions, arguments, plans, proposals, whatever. It was really exhausting and time-consuming and stressful. There’ve been posters and stuff put up regularly, updating people so they can do something about it if they want. Suggestions of strikes, SGMs, sabotage, occupations, etc. Obviously there’s heaps of people who don’t want differential pricing, but there wasn’t much support for any kind of action, which is fair enough. So, as I see it, we kind of gave in, which I think is fair enough too. This time I chose not to stay and fight. I chose cake and tea, sleep, time with friends. Or maybe I chose to fight other shit, instead, that’s more important to me than your right to $2.20 latte.
(Don’t bother picking on “chose” or “right” as the language of liberalism. Semiotics is boring, and I’m sure you know what I mean.)
Anyway, maybe I’ve got your intention entirely wrong — I really don’t know what you meant by this post — and I don’t know if it was supposed to be directed at me. But if it’s not, why not? I’m as responsible as the others. And if it is, why didn’t you talk to me about it?
Friday 17August07 12am at 036
Sorry that my only comments on this thing are kind of antagonistic, but it seems designed for that — always brings out the nasty. But I do snide well these days, and I’m losing my touch for kind, so I feel like I should ditch that game for one I can play. Anyway, bitterness aside, I hope you’re doing okay. If you have time and will, I’d like to catch up some time that’s not Thursdays (they really don’t work out so well).
Friday 17August07 2am at 217
Order – response to your paragraphs by paragraph:
“shall we call it the “interesting” side of politics?” sorta gave me that impression. Not unreasonable I don’t think. I consider myself left, I use inverted commas to describe people who describe themselves left by i don’t consider them so, or when it’s vague and is used to describe groups with persons I consider right.
I was vague about things i wasn’t sure of, and was careful not to use the student’s name (though I think it’s probably obvious to all readers, and certainly easily possible to work out). This, as I understand it, is the entirety of my “[dodging and hedging]“.
Don’t think it is a faceless bureaucracy. Just don’t want to confront those faces at this time.
I’m working on the ‘acting’. I don’t consider the above text anything but the start of an analysis. Because as stated (by both of us now), I’m afraid of backlash. Also, I’ve spoken to a few involved and received little but defensiveness, awkward silence, etc.
See above. But also, this is a rant, a stream of thoughts, the start of an analysis…
I think I should say now, I care ONLY about the student kicked out… the rest is supposed to be making fun of stupid factional arguments that PALE IN SIGNIFICANCE to the expulsion shit. Including the heirarchical shit, of course breaking heirarchies is complicated and is a continuing and dynamic problem/process. I guess I am one of ‘most people’ and not in the (implicitly existing) small group of people too stupid/ignorant/right/whatever to comprehend/know/recognise this.
I meant my text was emotional, because it is about my friend being expelled. No, I do not know if you were involved in the stuff about him. I’m afraid to ask, because I may have to accuse you of something horrific… and that always takes guts. Are these difficult things to understand?? But also, in some ways I do not need to ask: [The student was expelled because wholefoods failed to act. Which is the fault of all active collective members. (Of course, there may be some good reasons for the failure to act, but I have my doubts and... well, I'm going to try assuming again that you have a memory of more than a few sentances and so can work out why I might not have asked to clarify this.)] My fears? I consider that my problem. What are you supposed to think? You’re ’supposed’ to think “aaw, isn’t it nice that he doesn’t actually want to think badly of me”… fuck, I don’t know!
WOW. Heartfelt apologies to the collective. Well, you’re right, I don’t care. Hence – in reference to the cost of my latte – my use of practically the same sarcasm you use here. Does my article really suggest that wholefoods wanted the pricing change and didn’t try to counter it? It certainly does, however, in a mocking tone, make light of their efforts… the world is full of unrecognised/underrecognised work. Perhaps it’s because latte price falls under the category of ‘not about the expulsion issue’ and so discussed here to make fun of wholefoods’ other issues. Why do I feel I’m repeating myself?
What I meant was I think the collective is responsible for the expulsion of the student. I mean that this is fucked. Definately not directed at you. And, um…. SEE ABOVE SEE ABOVE SEE ABOVE.
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I understand that you might feel your work is unappreciated, and that this might make you defensive. I am also under the impression that you believe that if I spoke to people, you might be lucky enough to have me change my mind and think wholefoods collective is ‘alright’. I also believe you are defensive of wholefoods’ progressive/emancipatory potential. I am confused by how simple my response(s) are and your continuing (seeming) lack of comprehension…
I think your comments are due to some kind of faith in wholefoods, an understanding by you that these events reflect poorly on wholefoods and an attempt by you to depoliticize these events AS defense of wholefoods (you don’t even ‘need’ to moralise if you can make me see the real emotion felt by actual collective members).
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Sure, we should catch up.
Thursdays don’t work coz I’m usually smashed, coz you’re tired from early work, coz we’re usually around others (politics class mates) or what? Just curious.
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I’m fucking drunk by the way.
Wednesday 22August07 1pm at 1314
The behaviour of people with regard to “the student kicked out” should be criticised, ‘publicly’, surely,and this blog is the only place I’ve seen which really even begins to.
Wednesday 22August07 7pm at 1915
“…begins to” being the operative term in that sentence. Well, actually that’s a really long sentence…
Anyway, I’m working on it. In that special way of mine. In the meantime I’ve caught the lurgey and I’m out of cash again. All I need is a little speed… I mean cold and flu tablets.
Tuesday 28August07 11am at 1100
Did my response not come through or have you screened it? When I didn’t see it I tried to repost and it said something about it being a duplicate, but I still can’t see the post. Well, no matter. Catch ya ’round.
Tuesday 28August07 8pm at 2031
er.. no, didn’t get anything. i blame wordpress, it’s been doing silly things.
Was going to call you yesterday (when I was starting to recover from my cold) and ask if you wanted to catch up. but i didn’t have any credit, and, really, i was still too fucked to even go out for a coffee.